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I wouldn't pay 17k unless your rich, or the car is VERY clean and runs great. I paid 18.5k for my 95TT with only 55k miles on it, and it was near immaculate. I went to some dealerships before I got my Z, and they were all too pricey, but I got some to take $4k off the sticker. My advice is to tell them you've found one just like it for $12K thats in even better condition, and see what they say. Then, if they give some valid reasons as to why you should be from them, offer $13k for theirs.
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